Ask John: Why Do Some Artists Deny Their Anime Inspirations?
|Question:
Like Darren Aronofsky on Black Swan vs. Perfect Blue, Ms. Suzanne “Hunger Games” Collins is trying to pretend she only reads dead white people’s literature [Darren has only acknowledged Dostoevsky and Moebius, and thrown a bone to Kurosawa, but couldn’t seem to give Perfect Blue its due.], and never saw the Kinji Fukasaku movie. Never mind that Battle Royale was one of the most imported and pirated movies of the early 2000s, so much so that Quentin Tarantino name-dropped it and cast one of the actresses from it for Kill Bill. Not to mention that major Hollywood studios were trying to get the home video and remake rights for years. And, of course, the manga and novel were also published in English and got prominent promotion and mention. So, for someone to have not heard of Battle Royale would mean they were living under a rock all this time.
Since at least the Wachowskis after the Matrix, many prominent, and not-so prominent, people in American entertainment have admitted to seeing and/or being influenced by anime and/or notable Japanese live-action films. Japanese entertainment is clearly no longer a niche geek fad, even though some people still want it to be that way. So why are there still industry people deferring to Eurocentric tastes instead of being honest about their inspiration? Do they think it gives them more respectability? Or are they just trying to cover their asses by citing works conveniently available in public domain?
Answer:
To an extent, Hollywood must be credited for its acknowledgment and respect of Japanese animation. Disney has injected Studio Ghibli, Hayao Miyazaki, and Ghibli’s Totoro logo into mainstream American awareness. Chronicle creator & director Josh Trank has stated his debt to Katsuhiro Otomo’s Akira. James Cameron continues to insist that he’s not abondoned the idea of filming Gunnm. Twentieth Century Fox produced a major theatrical Dragon Ball movie. Warner Bros. produced a major theatrical Speed Racer movie. However, at the same time, Darren Aronofsky has tacitly denied that his film Black Swan was inspired by Satoshi Kon’s Perfect Blue, even though parallels seem far too obvious and prominent to be dismissed as coincidence. Suzanne Collins’ best-selling 2008 book and 2012 movie The Hunger Games has been cited as an American remake of Koushun Takami’s 2006 Japanese novel Battle Royale although Collins has not stated any awareness of the earlier, exceptionally similar work.
I don’t know and have never met creators including Darren Aronofsky and Suzanne Collins, so I can’t vouch for their honesty or transparency, although I’d like to trust in the positive in all people. If, indeed, such high profile creators are unwilling to concede their awareness of and inspiration from Japanese popular media, their motivations may be rooted in the exact same dispositions that affect countless avowed American otaku. While manga and anime may be far more respected in the West now than they were thirty and even twenty years ago, they’re still comics and cartoons. And a serious artist is far more respectable and respected among Western society when his or her influences number among the recognized artistic, literary, and academic luminaries of Western civilization.
Literature undoubtedly has gradations of quality. Bram Stoker’s Dracula and even Anne Rice’s Interview With The Vampire have greater literary merit than Kouta Hirano’s Hellsing. Even internationally published Japanese authors like Haruki Murakami & Banana Yoshimoto are tremendously more respected than otaku-favorite Japanese authors like Nisio Isin & Kinoko Nasu. And admiting fondness for one variety of creator or the other can dangeously pigeon-hole an individual. I’m absolutely of the opinion that popular culture media should not be immediately disparaged because art, whether fine art made for the sake of personal expression, or commercial art are still creative art and deserve fair criticism and respect as creative art. But simply due to innate human nature, someone versed in Molière will be more respected than someone extensively versed in moé. A writer that cites Shakespeare as an inspiration will invariably be taken more seriously than a writer that cites Satoshi Kon as an inspiration. Pop culture artisans like Quentin Tarantino and the Wachowski brothers who unabashedly admit their inspiration by anime are consciously connected to disposable, commercial pop culture and tied to making commercial popular entertainment. Serious artists like Darren Aronofsky create fine art. Even a “respectable” juvenile fiction author like Suzanne Collins will inevitably find the transition into serious literature easier than a typical Marvel or DC comic book writer will. Although people are not defined by their interests, people that work in a field like Hollywood, where reputation and perception are potentially more important and valuable than reality, may find that cultivating a well-groomed persona is much more advantageous than acknowledging creators that aren’t looking for personal endorsements and annoying amateur fanboys who have no appreciable impact on the individual’s life or livelihood. If, indeed, Darren Aronofsky or Suzanne Collins was consciously influenced by Japanese media, admitting the inspiration may be ethical and commendable, but it’s not necessarily advantageous to their career aspirations. Maybe someday Japanese manga and anime creators apart from Hayao Miyazaki will be cited and respected in the same breath as respected contemporary creative literati including David Mamet, Toni Morrison, John Updike, and Amy Tan.
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“even though parallels seem far too obvious and prominent to be dismissed as coincidence”
Not to mention their prior histories together.
“Serious artists like Darren Aronofsky create fine art. ”
Until Noah, anyway. 🙂
I’m reminded of former prime minister “Rozen” As?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro_Aso#Manga_fan
Hack artists rarely like to reveal the source of their plagorism. Why come up with your own concepts when you can steal from another country, work that most people will never recognize and which you can take full credit for? You sure can’t get away with it when you’re taking from something that is already part of our popular culture. Example….. Avatar/Dances with Wolves. Right away people can draw those conclusions. But, with a foriegn property you can get away with it. Example The Lion King/Kimba the Jungle Emperor. Now, I am not saying a rip off story can’t be good on it’s own….. on the contrary…. the more often a story is retold the more refined it becomes. But, to take full credit is just shameful.
Robo: It’s worse with Aronofsky, though, because he’s clearly trying to have it both ways, since there’s no way he can deny the Satoshi Kon/Perfect Blue connection at this point. He left too many trails. So he’ll say he knows about PB, but that he came up with some other source of inspiration, so he can throw Kon under the bus and come off “cultured”.
Without conclusive evidence, this person asking the question cannnot come to an absolute conclusion that the author of The Hunger Games took inspiration from Battle Royale. I’m a big fan of Royale, but bloodsports– even involving children– is not a new or original concept. Reality had child soldiers before either piece of fiction came along.
I think we as anime fans just love to see anime in everything else. Just because anime and manga exists doesn’t mean well read and watched people have seen it.
WAY before we had the internet, thinkers across the ocean from one another came up with similar ideas. The internet has made this a small world, but 2 people can still come up with similar ideas, or be oblivious of concepts similar to their own.
Besides the basic concept, Hunger Games and Battle Royale have barely a thing in common.
“Without conclusive evidence, this person asking the question cannnot come to an absolute conclusion that the author of The Hunger Games took inspiration from Battle Royale. ”
Lesse. She worked in Hollywood back when people were pirating, importing, and talking about the film. So…
“Besides the basic concept, Hunger Games and Battle Royale have barely a thing in common.”
That’s what they claim, but…
I’m sorry, but every single person reading this article now has not seen every movie nor read every book ever made, even if it’s popular. You can claim things all you want, accuse people of plagarism all you want, but because you say “you ripped this off!” with conviction doesn’t count as evidence for your case.
It could very well turn out to be true. I was wrong about the influence for Inception, but doesn’t anyone’s word mean anything?
Why don’t we think The Running Man is the inspiration for the Hunger Games? What if some obscure novel was the inspiration for Hunger Games? There are so many things it could be, but we’re fans of anime and manga, so it MUST be Japanese inspired. It’s a thin accusation. Kids killing kids for sport is their only link.
Oh, BTW, anyone here actually read/watched Hunger Games?
“I’m sorry, but every single person reading this article now has not seen every movie nor read every book ever made, even if it’s popular.”
She didn’t have to see it. She could’ve heard of it and gotten a summary.
“Why don’t we think The Running Man is the inspiration for the Hunger Games?”
It could also be. Except Running Man didn’t involve high school kids.
Well, I am not seeing the crux of the argument, at least in the case of Kon. Satoshi Kon WAS and artistic film director, who made avant-garde and deeply dramatic and intellectual films, and was widely recognized internationaly as doing so.
I agree with John there is a difference between hack pulp and decent artistic writing, but I don’t agree with his premise for defining it, nor anyone’s here to follow. Ann Rice was practically a Hack, while Bram Stoker was not. But all that aside, the medium deos not delegitimize the artistic value of something and I think that these days it’s commonly known.
Being a comic book writer does not lower your artistic status at all. Some of the most breath-taking stories and interesting ex[plorations of cerativity today are happening in the comics and graphic novel arena. In fact always have. Comics, have a history of discussion and exploring developing social issues much sooner and more openly than other literature because of the weekly or monthly and serialistic nature of the medium. They were way ahead of their times in dealing with Race, personal mental health issues, Women’s liberation, moral ambiguity, the over accellerated advance of techniology, environmental issues.
And you’re going to tell me that Aronofsky would find himself embarassed to have his name up next to Gaimen, J. Michael Straczynski, Joss Whedon, Kevin Smith? All Comic Book writers and all credited with great artistic merrit both in the comic medium and other fields.
And if he had actually seen any of Kon’s work, I am suer any “artistic” director, even if he’s was pretentious as this article tries to imply, would gladly be compared with Kon and his works. They are atristic in the extreme as well as deep and edgy.
I think either he actually hadn’t see Kon’s work, or he doesn’t really know how much it influenced him, or he has his legal or technical reasons.
I don’t think the argument that anime, particularly the works of Satoshi Kon, could be viewed by snobby, artistic, intellectuals as being of lesser value that say the works of David Lynch.
Running Man doesn’t have to involve kids to inspire the Hunger Games.
If she actually just heard a summary of Battle Royale, that would be the weakest reason for concern. Just hearing a concept doesn’t mean you’re a thief. You then actually have to come up with some content.
Also, Battle Royale does not hold any copyright to child endangerment, so anyone from when the movie was made until the end of time can make a movie with the same concept.
Also, on a side note, Hunger Games both lifted up and killed Battle Royale at the same time. They were trying to make an American BR, but Hunger Games got popular in the meantime. On the plus side, there’s interest in stuff like Hunger Games, so that BR Blu-ray came out at a good time.
Friday: “And you’re going to tell me that Aronofsky would find himself embarassed to have his name up next to Gaimen, J. Michael Straczynski, Joss Whedon, Kevin Smith?”
Kevin Smith is a “fartist”, not an artist. And the fact that he’s desperate enough to go slumming with a shitty Kohl’s ad so he can be associated with J. Lo seems to suggest an affirmative to your rhetorical question.
“And if he had actually seen any of Kon’s work,”
Oh, we know he did, because Kon blogged about meeting him, and because Darren allegedly mentioned PB briefly on the Requiem DVD commentary.
“even if he’s was pretentious as this article tries to imply, would gladly be compared with Kon and his works.”
Well, if he would, then he wouldn’t deny them in favor of a Dostoevsky book which was considered mediocre, even for its time.
Yotaru: “Running Man doesn’t have to involve kids to inspire the Hunger Games.”
Also, Running Man incorporates prisoners, while Hunger Games, like Battle Royale, uses a random drawing system.
“Battle Royale does not hold any copyright to child endangerment,”
It holds a copyright to the kids overthrowing the system.
“They were trying to make an American BR, but Hunger Games got popular in the meantime. On the plus side, there’s interest in stuff like Hunger Games, so that BR Blu-ray came out at a good time.”
Well, yeah, of course Manga Bay will be glad to cash in on the controversy. Not sure if Fukasaku and Toei will appreciate it, though.
Darren Aronofsky owns the rights to “Perfect Blue” and has expressed that it influenced him. Requiem for a dream uses scenes from “Perfect Blue” and that far predates Black Swan. Neither Black Swan or Requium for a dream use similar themes or stories to “Perfect Blue,” which makes sence because “Perfect Blue” deals with a uniquely Japanese phenomenon and mindset. They, however, are tonally similar, and that is why Aronofsky not only opted the rights but mentions it often.
Suzanne Collins says she has never read or seen “Battle Royal,” and I believe her claim. It is not a popular film or book in the west by any means. Fans of “Battle Royal” and unlikely to be fans of “The Hunger Games” in my opinion.
Unrelated authors create similar stories occasionally. It is just happens.