Ask John: Why is Guilty Crown so Heavily Criticized?
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Question:
In a recent column, Guilty Crown was listed as being a universally recognized “bad” anime. I was mystified, because long before I read this, I had watched Guilty Crown and thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn’t understand everything that went on, but I didn’t understand everything that went on in some Cowboy Bebop episodes, and those are considered classic. In fact, I found Guilty Crown a real “page turner” — I was tearing through episodes because I couldn’t wait to find out what happened next. So please tell me why Guilty Crown is considered bad.
Answer:
I’ve encountered a lot of harsh criticism of the 2011 Guilty Crown television series. Here’s just a very brief sampling of the copious criticism available for the series:
“Guilty Crown is a bit of an odd duck as it attempts to blend several disparate themes, but doesn’t quite manage to finish the job. The plot has clearly been influenced by several popular franchises – which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but the execution is where the writers have let themselves down. The narrative is often disjointed, and many events in the storyline appear to have no logic behind them other than to put Shu through an emotional wringer… Shu has no personality whatsoever… Guilty Crown is one of those anime that can only truly be enjoyed if you have never watched any of the titles that it takes its inspirations from.”
“It’s hard not to see Guilty Crown as something of a Code Geass rip-off when they’re similar to the extent the main character receives ‘the power of the king'” from a mysterious female, before involving himself in a Japanese rebellion against foreigners discriminating against the Japanese. There are even robots on roller-skates in it!”
“If you’re the kind of person that’s not bothered by a lot of plotholes, then this show is perfect for you.”
“While Guilty Crown does continue to entertain and spark lots of discussion in some form, it’s almost as if the writers have very little regard for how they go about it. They’re throwing out a lot of sudden plot twists that come completely out of left field and feel like obvious attempts to win audiences over with sheer shock value.”
“I still follow Guilty Crown, and intellectually accept that it is a waste of time”
“Who agree with me that code geass is far better than this anime? and much easier to understand and soo cool.”
“We’ve all made it through 18 episodes of hating it, might as well just love it for the last few episodes for the sake of it. Hate me for starting to like it, I don’t care. But I won’t deny that GC is a trainwreck.”
“Loose ends and character changes crop up so frequently that they either seem hopelessly unresolved or hastily precipitated… What’s worse is the anime’s reliance on tricks to further expedite the time-limited process. GC attempts to hasten development by resorting to numerous pre-established cliches throughout its buildup, …doing away with time-consuming subtlety in favor of quick cinematic cuts and character changes in order to convey both development and pivotal drama within the same scene, often falling short on both counts.”
“It’s crazy how bad a rep this show gets in comparison…but it deserves every bit of it.”
“Unaccustomed to managing such a massive wad of cash they fouled up making Guilty Crown ‘tongue in cheek’ bad and simply made it a straight up ‘palm face’ bad series.”
In 2011 and early 2012, some of my public comments on the show included, “The sheer artistic beauty of it all overshadow the small weakness,” “For every one thing the series does exceptionally well, it does one or more other things to leave me confused or frustrated,” and “While this is a flawed, uneven show, I have tremendous respect for its amazing creativity and production values.” In effect, while I didn’t jump on the harshly critical bandwagon that steamrolled the show, I did have to admit that it had some weaknesses. However, the intense and prolific criticism that primarily revolves around the show’s narrative construction has long felt exaggerated and over-inflated to me. In the modern era in which original anime productions are rare, I think that Guilty Crown deserves credit for attempting to be a unique, interesting and original story that doesn’t rely on copious nudity, moé or tsundere tropes, or simplistic, lowest-common-denominator plot settings like school clubs or the daily lives of teen friends. The show may be criticized for failing to comprehensively connect its disparate plot elements that include governmental censorship, teen alienation, noir-ish political intrigue, supernatural action, Lord of the Flies-esque relationship dynamics, and institutionalized genocidal “cleansing,” but the very fact that the show was ambitious enough to even address so many heady topics within a single show is commendable. I find it a bit frustrating that anime fans complain about contemporary anime being too redundant, unoriginal, and brainless, yet when an original show comes along that does incorporate many intellectual concepts, the show is criticized for being too ambitious for its own good. Furthermore, the art design and animation quality, to say nothing of the staggering originality of the visual creativity at play in many of the show’s setpiece action scenes, are undeniably outstanding. Guilty Crown is an amazingly visually rendered show. Certainly, screenwriter Hiroyuki Yoshino can be criticized for inadequately pulling together his vision of the show into a completely unified, organic whole, but dismissing the whole production as worthless garbage is a gross overreaction.
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I love how John is quoting reviews from MyAnimeList 🙂 In my opinion, people are way too anal about so called “plotholes”. Even famous shows like StarWars or StarTrek are full of plotholes but people still love them because they have enough strenghts to compensate such flaws.
>In my opinion, people are way too anal about so called “plotholes”
You misunderstood what they were saying. You see, many people in the anime community (especially those in MAL) love to say “If you’re the kind of person that’s not bothered by a lot of plotholes, then this show is perfect for you” because that shows you are an “intellectual”. It’s a cliche phrase that so-called “critics” use. And Guilty Crown is not the only one who is criticized with this, Code Geass, Evangelion or any anime with complex narratives have often been accused of having “too many plotholes”. But if you noticed, they NEVER SAY what the so-called “plot holes” are, even though they claim there are “so many of them”. When I encounter people like that, I immediately ask them what they mean with “plotholes” and they rarely reply back. The few that do seem to genuinely think that “plot devices” and “plot twists” are synonymous with “plot holes” and are extremely reluctant to believe that for example, having an enormous mecha is not a plothole just because such things are impossible in real life.
If you ever heard somebody utter such lines, only take them seriously if they say what are the plotholes being criticized. If they only say the phrase but never list even ONE of the so-called MANY plotholes, then you can be sure they are just wannabe “critics” that merely said that because they want to look “intelligent” by criticizing what’s popular and show they are “against the hype”.
@animefan34 I agree with what you are saying. Often terms like plotholes, trainwreck and character development are misused and overused by people who are trying too hard to argument. I don’t think I have misunderstood something here. I have myself encounter people who love to use such terms without explaining their opinions with intelligent or at least fair arguments.
Anime reviewers like roriconfan like to list plotholes in shows like CodeGeass or MadokaMagica. While I agree with him that that there are some in CodeGeass, I honestly can’t find no holes in Madoka. In the end, anime is just entertainment and it requires always a bit of suspension of disbelief, otherwise it wouldn’t work.
Lucus-FeriaaA, I get what you’re saying, but just because something else has plot holes doesn’t mean that Guilty Crown gets a pass. I didn’t hate Guilty Crown at all, and didn’t find as many things wrong with it as other people did, but I will admit that there were points in the story that fell flat for me.
I heard so much “Code Geass” this and “Code Geass” that, but I’ve not seen much of Code Geass. I’ve seen and heard enough about Code Geass to not feel like they’re all that similar .
animefan34, I do dislike people who say there are plot holes, but do not mention them. HOWEVER, I also don’t like people who think that examining a film and pointing out its flaws is somehow wrong, that you should just enjoy the prettiness of an anime and overlook anything worth pointing out.
I don’t care if an anime is the most praised anime in history. If it has flaws, then I’d like to hear it. I don’t want to live in a world where everyone’s a bunch of kiss-asses, and we all find some middle ground on things. Anime is art, but it is also a consumer product, and it is also a story. Sometimes stories are not written tightly, and sometimes products have flaws.
“Anime is art, but it is also a consumer product, and it is also a story. Sometimes stories are not written tightly, and sometimes products have flaws.”
– So true !
It’s one of my personal favorites, but I had a lot of problems while watching it as well.
To mention some of the plot holes you were asking about earlier…
(I will warn you that I haven’t seen the series since it originally came out so I’m probably mistaken over a few things)
-When the boy Yuu shows up he seems to be an important character, but he is rarely ever shown and is destroyed almost immedeatly after reappearing. I understand that it was important to show us where all 3 of the void genes were but he hardly provided anything towards the production.
-what purpose is Inori an idol? and why does it seem like Shu was the only one to realize? I know that Egoist did a good bit for the anime, but it didn’t seem to connect well ( maybe I missed the connection )
However, I still found it to be one of the most impactful animes I’ve watched in the last couple of years. It has an amazing soundtrack through the progression of each episode. I found the transition from hero, to antihero falling into despair, then rising back to save the day very moving (even if it had a good bit of disconnect here and there . Seeing Gai become the bad guy threw my “omg-the-boss-is-OP” alarm into overdrive.
Moonlotus08, what you list don’t seem to be plot holes, but just writing that needed to be tightened up, or given a once-over. I can’t recall why Inori was a singer. She does sing a bit in the show, but no one’s really interested in her when she joins the school.
If this show wowed you, then you might want to watch From the New World.